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Thoughtful public theology

Chris T. on Jul 11th 2008

As Lee notes here, the conversation about Stanley Hauerwas touched off by Ben’s repost of an inflammatory Hauerwas quote on the 4th continues. It has got me back to reading apologies of Hauerwas’ work, which leaves me a bit frustrated — there is only so much I can take of hearing the majority of American [...]

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Women bishops in the C of E

Chris T. on Jul 7th 2008

The Church of England has voted to proceed toward the ordination of women bishops, though there is some kind of plan for a “national code” to allow for those who dissent from WO. Not quite clear to me what that means.
As Jane notes, this is a theological matter — a matter of what is true [...]

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The Church and the Fourth

Chris T. on Jul 4th 2008

I must say, I loved Jim West’s bombastic response to this Stanley Hauerwas quote:
I assume most of you are here because you think you are Christians, but it is not all clear to me that the Christianity that has made you Christians is Christianity. For example: How many of you worship in a church with [...]

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It IS just about sex

Chris T. on Jul 1st 2008

Responding to this quote from John from this post:
What the Anglican row is all about. Not bad coverage. Just like the SSPX and the rest of Western Catholic traditionalism are not about Latin this is not about gays and women; the Controversial Issues™ about them are symptoms. The key is universal doctrine and enforcing it; [...]

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On the limits of “inclusion”

Chris T. on Jun 20th 2008

I’m kind of at a loss for how to summarize or excerpt this great post by my friend Jane on the idea of “women as church” and its absence from church discourse at the highest institutional levels, except maybe to say the ideas she is working with there rightly threaten a popular liberal way of [...]

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Rethinking communion

Chris T. on Jun 16th 2008

Tobias Haller has a very perceptive entry up picking apart some language in the Anglican Covenant process:
I was reflecting on a line from the Windsor Report which has always troubled me in this regard: it is one of those statements that sounds true but doesn’t stand up to very close examination; an example of what [...]

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Christianity does not grow through childbirth

Chris T. on May 28th 2008

Last week, USA Today treated us again to the “demographic theory” of mainline Protestantism’s decline. The Lead took up the refrain on Saturday.
But sociologists led by Michael Hout, at the University of California-Berkeley, have found that the problem for the mainliners is not that people are souring on their theology and ideology and defecting to [...]

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The Sabbath and family

Chris T. on May 26th 2008

Jane has a post up at the Episcopal Cafe about reclaiming the Sabbath, exploring issues like overscheduling and the ways we are more “of the world” than not when it comes to time. It’s a great post, definitely worth a read.
It’s not a silver bullet to solve this problem — far from it — [...]

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C of E clergy on women bishops

Chris T. on May 14th 2008

Thinking Anglicans is reporting that nearly half of the women clergy in England have signed a forceful statement of support for the consecration of women bishops — provided further “flying bishop” hedges not be attached:
We believe that it should be possible for women to be consecrated as bishops, but not at any price. The price [...]

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Fr Haller on women’s ordination

Chris T. on May 5th 2008

Recently bls reposted this article by Fr Tobias Haller, BSG, about the central dogmas of Christian faith that are violated by certain arguments against women’s ordination. I was very taken with the argument when he posted it but had forgotten where I heard it until bls reposted it.
The topic of WO has since come [...]

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